[FAQ] Personalised view of a family

Yes, I agree

... one time an old man told me "perfect is enemy of good".

Thank you!
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Juan Carlos Vergara

Hi,

In the main windows, you can see all patents grouped by family. With Ranking Country option, you can choose what is the Country that you want see first.

i.e, if you have 4 patents in the same family (all are downloaded scare green),
i.e :
EP12345 WO23456 US34567 FR45678

if you choose with Rank.Country WO, EP, FR, US, DE, JP (in this order) you have :
+ WO23456 (it will be appear like "Father" of the family)
- and other 3 patents.

if you choose with Rank.Country FR, EP, WO, US, DE, JP (in this order) you have :
+ FR45678 (it will be appear like "Father" of the family)
- and other 3 patents.

This option do nothing else. Smile

Hi,

I think that I have found a little bug?

I define in the country list eg: ES EP US etc ....

I do this search: US4463531/PN
(and I mark all the options: description, claims, Patent Family, drawings, etc

I get the whole patent family and it appears

+ ES8207258 (main patent)
- Biblio data WITHOUT GRAPHIC Question

- Abstract taken from US,
- Abstract WITH GRAPHIC taken from US

US4463531
- Biblio data with own graphic
- own abstract with own graphic

EP0050835
- Biblio data WITHOUT GRAPHIC Question

- Abstract taken from US
- Abstract WITH GRAPHIC taken from US

It seems that the only patent registry with a graphic is the US.

Using any combination of countries the biblio data of ES and EP appears without graphic and the abstract appears with graphic.

I profit this point to ask you if you can integrate the graphic in the "claims" and "description" tabs.

Regards
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Juan Carlos Vergara

In fact it's not a bug, it's because when MP download Abstract of one patent it send 2 requests : one with the Patent Number and One with the Patent Number which is writen inside the Abstract image tag.

With this method, if picture exist but not writen, i give it !

Bruno

Hi Bruno,

Thanks but I did not explain myself:

The question is not why MP downloads the image with the abstract, but why MP DOES NOT show the image with the bibliographic data, even if the patent is considered as "main patent" of the family

I think that the image should be shown in the main patent, even if this patent has not its own image

Regards
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Juan Carlos Vergara

Hi Bruno,

I go bak again to the "Personalised View of a Family". I think that it is an important feature.

I have a list of preferred countries: WO EP US ES ... this list is defined a long time ago.

Now I'm seeing that in any search project there are BIG families including patents in WO, EP, US, etc but they have the main patent from other countries: IT, DE, AU, ES, etc.

So it seems that the personalised view is not running ok. Could you please check if there is something wrong?

Thanks in advance
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Juan Carlos Vergara

Hi Juan,

I check that tomorrow, because OPS will be put in production tonight Wink

it's a good news for MP 8.0 more rapid with Webservice.

But i check of course this problem.

Regards,
Bruno

Hi,

Just to remind you that family view is not running... and it is an important utility.

regards
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Juan Carlos Vergara

ok, it's true, i forgot it Embarassed

Hi Bruno,

The MP families are much bigger since MP is exploiting OPS. Now every MP family has not just a record for every patent number, but a record for every patent number + Kind of Document.

Those records are completely blank except of the document number, so they don't add value to the MP family.

But the REAL PROBLEM is when a "kind of document" record appears as the head of a family. Then they don't show the information, but hidden the available information in other "normal" records. It's a non-informative situation and it is necessary to avoid it.

At the present it appears many times eg. a WO patent number with "A1" as head of family... without data.

I think that you could avoid this situation by imposing an extra condition to the head of a family, eg. the head of family must have filled the priority number field ... or other similar condition

Regards
jcv
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Juan Carlos Vergara

Hi Bruno,

I'm sorry to say that family visualisation when there are many patent documents is a pending matter and sometimes it is really annoying to review patents because of too many patent documents. Also many patent families are extra-large and the number of members is not representative of the countries, but of the documents. So now MP is less informative than a time ago.

I'd like to propose the following Idea

to surpass it:

Now MP uses "two level" visualisation of patent families:
- first level = main patent
- second level = all the rest of patents = patent family
... could you add a third level? = "document family"?

Third level should have patents whose numbers end with a letter or a letter + a number (A, B, C, T, U, Y, A1, B1, ...). I think that you can easily identify "third level" documents, so they go to third level and don't disturb anymore.

In this way, people can review patent families, then patent members and finally if necessary patent documents. Also in this way MP would inform correctly about the number of patents included in patent families.

Now MP shows the main patents, then the user can do Ctrl+E to visualise all the patent family. I think that you could add another shortcut to visualise all the "documents family".

Bruno, please do something about this matter Rolling Eyes

... sure you will find the way to do it.

regards
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Juan Carlos Vergara

Hi Bruno, I think that this idea could help,

Another solution to clean "documents" from "patent families" could be to define a "visualisation control button" to show/hidden all the "not-downloaded patents".

Usually "not-downloaded patents" = "red-square patents" correspond also to "just another patent document".

This "visualisation control button" could be also of interest to many other purposes, e.g. if the user likes to export to MS Word all the members of a family, at the present it is necessary to mark one by one the family patent members.

==> Using this button the user could hidden all the patent documents with one click, then mark all the patent members and export to word would be really simple.

Regards
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Juan Carlos Vergara

Hi Juan,

I think it's easy to do that rapidly. I do test this afternoon to implement this option.

Thanks for your comment.
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Regards / Cordialement
Bruno Mannina
Technical Support / Support Technique