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dreyfus

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Tue 11 Jan 2005
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I have done the same research with two strategies
In the first one, I have made the research on espacenet and then used the "addpatents" option on USPTO with the same request
If I look to the analysis by publication date, i obtain the same results roughly 246 families
Remark : on espacenet only , I get 237 families only
However when looking at the priority date
In the first case, nearly all the family have a priority date, only one US and two japanese don't
In the second case, more than 50 Us and also 2 japanse have no priority date
I have also remarked that, for example on patent, WO9918161 A1 that has 3 other patents in the family US6166123 A; US6162856 A; AU9686998 A
In matheo patent , for both research one of the patent is not linked to the WO patent US6162856 A
For the WO9806768 A1 patent espacenet gives 8 other patents in the family including US6031045 A ; US5807919 A ; AU4069397 A
Matheo gives two families :
WO9806768 A1 with priority to US6031045 A
AU4069397 A with priority to US5807919 A

My questions are :
Why are they such differences on priority date et patent? these informations are very important for statistics (I suggest that in a next version, we could obtain graph on the priority date by year as for the publication date)
What is the best strategy?
Is it necessary to make the research on both espacenet and USPTO ?
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Mannina
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Wed 12 Jan 2005
Location: Marseille
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Hi,

Here http://www.matheo-software.com/download/Matheo-Patent-6_1.exe , you can find a beta-test version rev. 050111 which includes :

- Adding PR field in statistics
- Pictures in abstract
- Desc & Claims available in export TXT & XML

Sincerely,

Bruno
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dreyfus

Joined: 11 Jan 2005
Posts: 180
Fri 28 Jan 2005
Location: Paris la defense
Re: Research on USPTO and espacenet Reply with quote
Mannina wrote:
Hi,

Here http://www.matheo-software.com/download/Matheo-Patent-6_1.exe , you can find a beta-test version rev. 050111 which includes :

- Adding PR field in statistics
- Pictures in abstract
- Desc & Claims available in export TXT & XML

Sincerely,

Bruno


je reviens sur ce sujet
J'ai fait une recherche sur la société Sika depuis 2001
1) Sur les brevets US seulement, la réponse à USPTO donne moins de résultat qu'espacenet !
2) sur tous brevets, j'ai regardé uniquement espacenet ; Si on regarde la matrice date de publication/date de publication, tous les brevets sauf 1 sont dans la diagonale (probablement une ereur dans espacenet). c'est pas mal
3) sur tous les brevets, j'ai regardé en même temps espacenet et USPTO comparativement à espacenet puis addpatent sur USPTO; Il y a dans second cas 5 brevets de plus (Ce sont toujours des brevets US ,dans certains cas, des brevets US récents n'ont pas été vus par la première recherche alors qu'ils apparaissent bien dans la famille du brevet commun aux deux recherches. Exemple JP2001316152 (dans les deux cas) et US2004127607 trouvé uniquement dans le premier cas, bien qu'étant dans la famille du brevet JP
dans d'autres cas, le brevet US n'est pas équivalent au brevet EP du même titre US2004079478 et EP1186642. Le brevet US n'est pas trouvé par la première recherche (Remarque, il est trouvé dans la recherche sur espacenet uniquement !)

Tout cela est un peu bizarre et embêtant, car quelle est la meilleure stratégie
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